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Posted by ACE on September 29, 2010 at 18:32:59:
In Reply to: Re: Winnipeg DOL posted by dave on September 27, 2010 at 19:49:59:
: : : : : Has anyone ever had the dis-satisfaction of working with the Department of Labour in Manitoba. These guys seem so hung up on old school technology that they are slowing down any boiler upgrades or replacements just to satisfy the operating engineers. No offense to the operators, they are knowledgable and I have alot of respect for them. However times have changed and low water volume boilers that do not need an engineer are the way of the future. There are so many retros/replacements being done right now and they are halting all of them even though the boilers are already on site and some even installed. Its funny, there are already many of these installed and operating for years and now (10 years later) they change their mind. Any opinions would be gladly recieved. Just driving me nuts
: : : : I think that they are mostly concerned with safety and all the fact that all Miura components don't meet their standards, after all there are Miura horror stories out thier. Also who's going to care for the Miura without an engineer? You have to br pretty naive to think that they will run without trained individuals looking after them. Sometimes this "old technology" is around because it is tried and tested and with proper operating engineers they last 100 years. How old is the oldest Miura in the city? 10 years if that. By the way im aware of several Miura installations where operators were let go then rehired. Why do you think that is? Also why are CB water tubes the highest selling boiler in the last 5 years if so many new installations are happening? In short your arguments have several holes in them. Most times when new Miuras are installed it is usually new management trying to make a name for themselves without getting all the correct information. Miura SELLS boilers and they are very good salesmen however those in the know understand that with Miuras it is always Buyers Beware!!
: : : You should look into the approvals. They are UL/ULC/CGA etc approved as a package boiler just like clever crooks and others. As for looking after them I dont think you have all the info, how many engineers actually do the work. A millright, plumber etc are the people called when work needs to be done. Manitoba is a some what new territory BUT they have been running very successfully in other parts of Ontario and US for over 20 years. I am aware of the circumstances of operators being layed off and rehired and unlike you I have looked into it. Ive found that its UNION issues that lead back to rehire. I am not sure if making a name for themselves is correct. They have a very strong customer base and usually this kind of expense is not made over the phone, by 1 person etc. It is a capital expense and is usually not left with a junior employee/manager to make the final decision.
: : Miura operating controls are not approved, have your plumber and millwright do your water tests and general maintenance then if your so smart. Also call the UofM and find out why their Miura has not been used in years, while your at it give St.Amant Center a call and find out if it was a UNION issue that led to their rehires? Anyway enjoy your Miura and have your electrician fix a toilet while your millwright does your water tests you genius. Hopefully somebody thinks your doing a good job cause it sure sounds like your not. By the way I cant understand why the DOL hasnt hired a smart guy like you who knows twice as much as they do! Im crossing my fingers for more restrictions on smoke and mirror Miuras.
: Easy Ace. You must be one of these angry operators who is on the verge of loosing their job. Firstly I made no comment to Miura, I mentioned a low water volume boiler which all manufactures make these days.2nd I dont know who you are or who you claim to be but look at the code (1) these products are all CGA/UL/ULC approved as a package regardless of the make.(2) just like other provinces the DOL (who appears to be scared of the operators union) should accept it. I dont believe they should give in so fast. Low water volume boilers are unique and I'm not hiding the fact that their water treatment requirements are somewhat tricky BUT the days of operators just calling others to fix them, sitting in an air conditioned room is over. Business just cannot not afford this anymore. Just to let you know I am a second class operator in Ontario, I saw the future and adapted to it. I dont claim to be the smartest guy like you commented above but I took the time, studied and learned the new way of operation. I suggest you do the same and if you are an operator I'm sorry, but maybe you should not abused it like others have to give operators a bad name.
Oh yes, Im on the verge for sure. There's no future for a young second class ENGINEER in this trade right? Maybe I'll just find a managment job like you turn myself into a bean counter, maybe not. I guess you dont know the differance between an operator and an engineer, do you? Im sure glad that there are people like you to imply that all operators have abused some system that was in place. By the way how does a guy working shiftwork by himself, overnights, and holidays abuse anything? Sounds like you might be drawing on your own experience of finding yourself under a desk for one reason or another. At any rate I doubt that your tickets even valid anymore because to keep it you have to be employed as an operator, and your to good for that arent you? I think you need to face the fact that the Manitoba DOL does a fine job without your input and if your in Ontario then stay there and worry about your own regulations and DOL. Take the codes out from under your wifes pillow and re-read them and then ask yourself "Did I Just Understand What I Read?" or "Have things changed since I got my second class ticket in 1953?"
Also, grammaticaly your answers are revealing that your english is at a second grade not class level.